miércoles, noviembre 22, 2006

¿Kirchner no acertó con ninguna estrategia?


No se que le pasa a Inmoralito que destila odio...
El problema no es destilar odio, sino que el odio nos impida ser lo mas objetivo posible a la hora de realizar un análisis y mas aún tratandose de un tema tan delicado como es el conflicto que involucra a toda una provincia y dos países con larga tradición de amistad como son la Argentina y Uruguay.
Mas allá que Macri sostenga que los cortes se deben levantar al precio que sea, (lo sostiene oportunamente para la época que la gente viaja a reservar sus casas), en detrimento de los intereses de la población de Gualeguaychú, (¿Qué otro status se le puede dar a una instalación industrial que amenaza el sustento principal de toda una población?) y de la Nación toda.
Por venir de un Diario cuyo fundador no se caracterizó por ser justamente un defensor de los intereses nacionales, sino por el contrario, se puede entender un poco la línea editorial y justificar entonces la presencia de Inmoralito en sus filas. ¿Quien mejor que él o Marianus?.
Lo grave, reitero, es que su odio visceral por Kirchner lo haga escribir una editorial del calibre de la que hoy lleva el Diario en sus páginas, dejando de lado, ya no la lucha que encabezaron los vecinos, sino todo parámetro objetivo y conocimiento sobre resolución alternativa de conflictos.
Seguramente Inmoralito pretenderá que se bombardeen las plantas de celulosa o se invada Uruguay y además, como medida ejemplificadora, se apalee hasta el cansancio a los vecinos "piqueteros".
Resulta curioso sostener, a estas alturas, que Kirchner o el Gobierno y, por consiguiente, el País, haya equivocado la estrategia, muy por el contrario, se han seguido todas las instancias de resolución alternativa de conflictos existentes, sin descartar ninguna, con total apego a la letra de los instrumentos internacionales vigentes y los tratados binacionales suscriptos con el Uruguay, incluso, el mismo gobierno que cotidianamente acusa de "soberbio", de "encerrarse en su verdad absoluta" ha intentado la mediación, en caracter de "facilitador" del Rey Juan Carlos de España para intentar acercar posiciones y desliza la posibilidad que el Rey vaya a quedar "pegado" a los caprichos de Kirchner, sinceramente no se quienes leen y creen a Inmoralito, lo cierto a estas alturas, es que solo quedan pocas opciones, o es gente incapaz de pensar por si sola y tener un poco de sentido común para darse cuenta que acá no se trata de estrategias mas o menos eficientes, sino de INTERESES mas o menos INFLUYENTES y con capacidad de LOBBY, o sencillamente son generadores y almaceneros del ODIO, si encuadran en el primer ejemplo, es cuestión de mejorar la comunicación para evitar a los agoreros del mal, si por el contrario se encasillan en la segunda hipotesis, ESTAMOS PERDIDOS.

SI A LA VIDA, NO A LAS PAPELERAS
NO SE OLVIDEN DE JORGE JULIO LOPEZ

75 Comments:

Blogger Diego F. said...

Totalmente de acuerdo Gonza, es una vergüenza que tipos como estos sigan siendo considerados "prestigiosos" en el imaginario colectivo.
Igual no debería sorprender a nadie todo esto que pasa. Si no leyeron "no logo" de naomi kleim, se los recomiendo mucho.
La lucha ya fue ganada por las corporaciones, ahora su lobby es más fuerte que la gran mayoría de los gobiernos del mundo. Una lástima.

Saludos.

23 noviembre, 2006 00:23  
Blogger Jorge Y. de la G. said...

Me asombra la lucidez de Inmoralito, se nota que tiene el asunto perfectamente claro. El gobierno haría bien en convocarlo para que se encargue él de resolver el problema (:P).

Abrazo

23 noviembre, 2006 08:40  
Blogger G.F. said...

Diego: No lo leí pero bienvenida la recomendación, la voy a tener en cuenta.
Jorge: A mi también me asombró la lucidez que demostró jajaja No creo que pase mas de una semana que lo estan convovando para que asuma la conducción del diferendo.

Ahora pregunto: No sería mejor darles donde mas duele? Ellos nos salen a cortar la vida de Gualeguaychú, demosle donde sabemos que les duele, que se le pida a aquellos que quieran, de no veranear en Uruguay, en ningun lado de allá y entonces cuando el resto del país que no labura en la construcción de las papeleras vea que bajaron los ingresos, puede ser que ahí tabaré sea un poco mas amplio al momento de negociar, igualmente hay que reconocer que el "target" o promedio de gente que veranea en Punta no deben ser los mas romanticos defensores de los intereses nacionales no?. abrazo. Gonzalo.-

23 noviembre, 2006 09:59  
Blogger Diego F. said...

La mejor que puede hacer el gobierno es basarse en el no cumplimiento del tratado del río Uruguay y cerrarles la llave de gas así no tienen como arrancar los motores de Botnia. Que se gasten el crédito en comprar gas a precios internacionales.

Saludos

23 noviembre, 2006 16:22  
Blogger Daniel de Witt said...

Analizar el conflicto de las papeleras, e incluso el gobierno de Kirchner en su totalidad, desde la óptica de "Gaceta Ganadera" y sus esbirros, no tiene mayor sentido: son como el caracol, se entierran solos con su propia lengua.
Ahora bien, yendo al tema de las papeleras, creo que sí hubo errores en la estrategia argentina.
Más allá de los "méritos" que hizo Tabaré Vázquez para ello, Argentina debiera haber evitado la confrontación con Uruguay, y hacer foco en las empresas Botnia y Ence.
Me parece una estrategia pragmáticamente más conveniente, ya que una confrontación entre naciones, indefectiblemente lleva al chauvinismo, a la sinrazón de ambas partes, y eso le hace el caldo gordo a quienes se benefician con la división (en este caso Botnia y Ence).
Y esto va más allá de qué país tenga razón en la cuestión de que se trate.
Creo que si el gobierno argentino hubiera apuntado sus cañones hacia las empresas, alertando sobre los efectos nocivos que las papeleras tendrían sobre Uruguay, pero evitando atacar al gobierno uruguayo, el mensaje hubiera tenido más repercusión entre los uruguayos, por más que Tabaré conteste en nombre de las empresas.
Habría que ignorarlo, y seguir la prédica contra las papeleras.
Si la población de Gualeguaychú, más algunos uruguayos (para mí hubiesen sido muchos), lucharan juntos contra las papeleras, obtendríamos mejores resultados que una disputa entre países, que siempre despierta las más bajas pasiones. Como prueba de esto, recordemos la multitud que ovacionó a Galtieri cuando anunció ir a las Malvinas. ¿Cuántos racionalmente apoyaban la dictadura? Pocos, pero cuando se invoca "la Patria" el raciocinio suele quedar de lado. Allí estuvo el error de Kirchner, a mi modesto entender.
Saludos.

23 noviembre, 2006 20:39  
Anonymous Anónimo said...

Daniel
La clave en mi opinión, es la Ley de Fomento de Forestación de la ROU.
Te acordas de la publicidad que tenia Lanata en Día D.
Simplificando mucho pero mucho, la cosa es así. Vos tenes un campito en zonas marginales o de muy pequeño tamaño, que no valía la pena poner a producir porque no te rendía. Si plantas árboles, no tenes que dedicarle todo el día, no pagas sueldos y no hay riesgo de cuatreros. Si le sumas que las desgravaciones impositivas no solo descontas lo de los campos sino también parte del resto de tus actividades el negocio es bueno pero a largo plazo.
Ese es un punto, el otro son las pasteras, ¿porque eligieron el lugar?
Toda la producción se embarca en navíos de gran porte, desde Fray Bentos hasta Laguna Mirim tenes una pila de lugares mejores, por calado o por infraestructura.
Pero esos lugares son atracciones turísticas internacionales, ba, para argentinos con plata.
¿Contaminan las pasteras? Si, al mismo nivel que en Europa.
Entonces, ¿Cuál es el problema?, el sistema en base a cloro.
Es vapor con cloro, que tenes que ventear una vez al día como mínimo.
Pensa en el mingitorio más roñoso que te haya tocado usar en el lugar más cutre.
Ese olor lo vas a tener si o si. Las aguas de rìo Uruguay van a ser límpidas, el impacto ecológico va a ser mínimo, eso aseguran, pero el olor a meo lo vas a tener hasta en el manto de la Virgen de la capilla.
¿Hay otro método que no sea tan agresivo para las narices? SI, pero es mucho mas caro.
Como ves es un problema de bolsillo. Hay muchos orientales, conservadores y progresistas, con la reacción de aquel que lo van a pungar. Justo cuando van a cosechar después de esperar muchos años.
No aceptaron la propuesta del gobierno argentino de “pagar” el traslado de las plantas, porque Gualegaychu iba a ser Carmelo o Colonia.
Vos irías a Colonia a pasar el fin de semana con olor a meo.
Es un problema de plata solo plata.
Saludos
manolo

23 noviembre, 2006 22:42  
Blogger Daniel de Witt said...

Manolo, estoy de acuerdo con vos en que el problema es de plata. Pero las ganancias no se las van a llevar los uruguayos, sino un pequeño grupo de uruguayos.
Ante esto, el resto de los uruguayos (la inmensa mayoría) no tiene por qué apoyar la instalación de las papeleras.
¿Por qué no obra así?
Porque el conflicto está planteado como una disputa entre países. Y ese es un concepto errado.
Saludos.

23 noviembre, 2006 23:12  
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Daniel
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Léete esto y después charlamos
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24 noviembre, 2006 02:36  
Blogger G.F. said...

Diego: Es una posibilidad, creo que no suma mucho, pero es una posibilidad, supongo que sobre la mesa deben estar todas las alternativas planteadas.
Manolo: Coincido con tu apreciación acerca que esto es un plan que lleva ya unos 20 años, desde 1985 el BM fomenta la inversión forestal en el Uruguay. LANATA TRAIDOR!!!.
Daniel: En el último post te contesto sobre lo que planteas, desde una óptica mas jurídica que sentimental. Abrazo. Gonzalo

24 noviembre, 2006 13:20  
Blogger Hard Core said...

La historia no empieza con Lanata, ya estaba planteada la desforestacion del Amazonas, Misiones, Chaco y Formosa, y montes de Tucuman y Salta. Y la Cuña Matogrosica. si se seguia el ritmo de requerimientos de la madera, y eso que aun siguen a mano suelta, por lo que Argentina y luego Uruguay (Epoca de Lanusse, reglamentada en el gobierno peronista) se incio un sistema de desgravacion para inversion en la industria forestal. Solo recordar lo que era sierra de la Ventana, y algunos lugares previos a al bosque subtropical andino que era semidesierto para ver como se invirtio por desgravacion. Lo que pasa que el argentino medio jamas ha tenido conciencia del largo plazo. Pero recuerden Papel Prensa y Alto Parana, no hace dos dias que operan el pais, y no escuche muchas quejas sobre el asunto. Menos del grupo Clarin, que no reponde a Bartolo, pero que si Morales Sola desde el llano pregona. Creo que hay un cierto repliegue de Kichner porque si los numeros dan, no hay que puntear, sino que hay que dejar que la contra tome la inciativa, sin ceder terreno, total hoy como estan las cosas le pegaran con los numeros y la oposicion lo unico que tiene para demostrar como logro es Misiones, lo cual no basta como resultado. Despues tenemos la Argentina Hipnotizada. Dejemos que Morales Sola agite el fantasma de Kichner vencido, que la Rocaturca agite el fantasma de Bloomberg arrasando como el cacique Pincen, que me parece que son mas expresiones de deseo, que realidades. Y ojo que yo no soy kichenrista, ni lo quiero ser.

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